Women earn less than men even right out of school: report
One of today’s more intriguing economic storylines concerns the wage gap between genders, which we’ve covered plenty on this site.
And if we’ve established anything, it’s that women almost always get a rawer pay deal than men. This is without question.
Though the notion often comes with several rationalizations. For instance, people contend women aren’t paid as much as men on the whole simply because they reach executive roles in far fewer numbers than their male counterparts.
This is correct – the world’s CEOs are overwhelmingly male – but it also conceals a further point: women aren’t only paid less than men late in their careers, when many males are climbing the corporate ladder, but right out of the gate, too.
By figures in a recently released study, women in the U.S. even begin their professional lives at a pay disadvantage to men.
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According to the American Association of University Women, which used Department of Education data from 2009, within one year of graduating a post-secondary institution men already earn more than women.
After just 12 months out of school, men pull in salaries averaging US$42,918, while women earn only US$35,296.
That’s a near 22 per cent difference, and a figure that comes with even more discouraging news for women.
The study’s data shows that salary discrepancies exist no matter what programs women graduate from.
Nine different fields were surveyed for the report, and the pay gap between men and women fell in line in each one of them.
So while, as the study found, engineering grads earn more than graduates from many other fields, female engineering alums earn still only 88 per cent of what male engineering alums do in the real world.
By Jason Buckland, MSN Money
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Posted by: M Howse | Oct 26, 2021 5:34:36 PM
Again, another story stating that women earn less than men, without looking at any of the possible reasons for this trend. Do the men work more hours, pulling down the overtime and sacrificing their social lives to advance their carreer? Do women tend to migrate into the "not for profit" or charity organizations which don't tend to pay as much as other private businesses? We'll never know by this superficial study. I've never worked anywhere where there were pay scales based on gender, and most of my bosses have been women.
Posted by: SP | Oct 27, 2021 10:18:04 AM
I would love for a income based on gender study to look at dollars brought home per hour worked across the board and not just income declared at the end of the year.
I've had sisters who were waitresses through university and after graduating because they could make more in a weekend working in a nice restaurant in tax free tips than they could during the week at their post university jobs.
When I worked handling insurance claims I would see strippers financially devastated because they'd been bringing home $100K+ but only declaring $14K and then shocked that we were only able to offer compensation based on the income filed with Revenue Canada.
Being that as it may.
If wages are a big issue to women, simple *refuse to work for less than a man*
If women did this than the change would happen instantly
However... women are happy to work for a lower wage in exchange for non-monetary benefits thus it will stay as it is.
Posted by: CV | Oct 27, 2021 12:18:53 PM
It's not that women in the exact same job at the exact same place are getting paid less than a man per say. This is probably a study that has used real standards to do a much better job coming to a conclusion than people writing in the comment sections discrediting everything they disagree with. The author of the study is saying that the jobs men tend to be hired for pay more...on average. It's not like the average educated woman goes and strips or waitresses for a living just so he or she can rake in 100K and forget to tell CRA about it. There are also societal factors that result in more men being able to work longer hours and taking less time off. It probably has more to do with having a solid family life than women refusing to "give up their social life". If you are someone who doesn't have a family and resents people who do, then I'm sure that working family members should pay for their decisions to have kids. So, doing a survey of professional men and professional women (in jobs in the same industry, but at a range of employers and probably in a range of locations) resulted in the fact that men get paid more. You have to use your brain to understand that very few people would read this article if MSN actually published the methodologies of every study they referenced.
Posted by: M Howse | Oct 27, 2021 2:44:02 PM
@CV
The article above does not state that the jobs that men tend to be hired for pay more, it stated that female graduates earn less than their male counterparts, at defined timelines post graduation. I would like to know why this occurs. If it is because the men on average work more hours per year (for whatever reason), then they have earned their money fairly, and it isn't a function of discrimination, as is implied.
Posted by: sms | Oct 27, 2021 10:22:49 PM
What part of 'right out of the gate' did all you guys not understand? Right from the time they are first hired women are earning less. So don't blame it on working fewer hours, as no hours have yet been worked. My personal experience, working in technology, has matched this finding. Women, who are just as qualified, whose work is just as good and frequently better than their male coworkers, and who work just as many hours, are paid less and promoted less frequently. Guys always think it is because they are so much more awesome at their job than the women they work with. They're not, they are just have an unearned advantage and don't even know it.
Posted by: ML | Oct 31, 2021 9:04:49 AM
The article contains very little facts, but makes huge insinuations. "Nine different fields were surveyed for the report, and the pay gap between men and women fell in line in each one of them." Except, they didn't. 4 of the 9 fields showed wages to be the same. Check out the chart in the article: http://consumerist.com/2012/10/24/study-women-earn-less-than-men-immediately-after-graduating-college/
They are surveying the graduating fields, not the work fields. There is no proof in this data that women earn less doing the same job. Quite often now people find work outside their field at the start, or later on in life resulting in various degrees of success or failure. All this data shows is that the graduates of certain degrees are making less.
Now, could it show a trend that men are being hired into higher positions post-grad than women? Possibly, but the data does not indicate whatsoever the job of the people in the survey, so with this information it is impossible to tell. That, though, would be a troubling stat.
Also, this would be considered a biased report, seeing as the "American Association of University Women" COULD (not saying they skewed the date or anything) have something to gain from the findings, so it all has to be taken with a grain of salt.