Male jobs lost to the recession will never return: author
The defining attitude to the recession has been, “Okay, that stunk, but it’ll all come back. Things will rebound.”
In many ways, they have. Most everything we lost to the downturn, be it consumer confidence or stock portfolio performance, has returned, if not in whole then in part.
Jobs, too, have come back, but not for everyone. Men, hit hardest by the recession, have found a tougher time returning to work than women in Canada.
“Things will rebound?” According to one author, employment for men will never, ever return to the way it was.
Certainly, the effects of the “Mancession” or “He-cession” or whatever you’d like to call it are well-documented, especially in Canada.
But according to Hanna Rosin, author of the new book The End of Men: And the Rise of Women, the recession didn’t just wipe out male jobs temporarily, it accelerated a global trend that was already on its way.
*Bing: Why do men earn more money than women?
Traditionally, many men work in macho jobs, of course: construction, on factory lines and otherwise.
But the movement from a manufacturing economy to a knowledge-based one, at least in North America and continents with other developed countries, is going to ensure many of those eliminated male-heavy jobs don’t come back. Ever.
“In the Great Recession, three-quarters of the 7.5 million jobs were lost by men,” Rosin writes. “Some of these jobs have come back, but the dislocation is neither random nor temporary. The recession merely revealed – and accelerated – a profound economic shift that has been going on for at least 30 years, and in some respects longer.”
Thirty years, we’re not sure about, but we can at least see part of Rosin’s thesis at work here in Canada.
According to the latest Stats Canada release, men are employed at a far lesser rate than women; as of last month, the female (25 years and older) unemployment rate came in at 5.6 per cent, while the same unemployment rate for men stands much higher at 6.3 per cent.
By Jason Buckland, MSN Money
Posted by: Steve | Sep 12, 2021 9:33:46 AM
A wonderful theory and if it helps Hanna sell a book or two bully for her.
"However"....
It is important to remember two important factors:
1) Many of the jobs created for women are paid out of the public purse which has traditionally depended upon the earning power (largely) of men. No male jobs... fewer gov't jobs for women.
2) No society can function for long with large numbers of unskilled men out of active employment. "The Devil finds work for idle hands" and all that Jazz. Get enough young men sitting around unemployed watching women continue to get preferential treatment in jobs, schools etc and it is only a matter of time before a spark appears to ignites the dry powder.
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Only time will tell though, but if China follows Europe into recession the time frame will be shorter.
Did she mention in her book what the 'What's next" phase will be? or did she just look at the end of her nose to see what's happening.. right now?
Posted by: Colour of money | Sep 12, 2021 11:21:36 AM
Without having read the book, I would like to add a point. The male-heavy industries spoken of, construction and manufacturing, are union heavy. Perhaps this recession is just the economy's way of correcting the imbalances in union jobs.
Perhaps men of the future just need to go to school and earn what they are worth, rather than relying on a union for more than their fair share.
Posted by: Frank | Sep 13, 2021 8:31:59 AM
"The End of Men: And the Rise of Women" yeah right!!!! What a laugh!!! The book will sell. Sign of the times.
Posted by: Keith | Sep 13, 2021 12:57:48 PM
Being 25 I know this more then most age groups. Just as I hit 18 and hit the workforce, so too did the recession. It's real sad that were trading real production jobs for false economical administration and service jobs. I shouldn't talk I guess, considering I've never had the opportunity to work at a real production job. Being a young white domestic Canadian male I can't help but feel sterotyped in the job line applying for a dead end poverty wage service job. Lets admit it were put on the back of the bus. Regardless with less real jobs we will eventually see less service jobs. excluding those useless administrative government jobs. Of course will see more welfare administrative workers... Don't get me wrong I love service jobs, paticularly telemarketing when it was a decent business. sales and distribution are a vital role in the economy. It's just too bad we've come to the conclusion that actual production of real things isn't in our best interest.. :S
Posted by: Canuckguy | Sep 13, 2021 3:53:14 PM
Things are going to hell in a hand basket in more ways then one.
Posted by: Mr. Negative | Sep 13, 2021 7:54:52 PM
I wouldn't say we "lost" these jobs. They were given away to increase profits. I can't say giving these jobs away is a good thing, as the average consumer doesn't really see the cheaper price to slave labour. That same product that is being built cheaper, will still be the same price next year without our "expensive" labor. Anyhow, hope all goes well for the rise of the women.
As for becoming a "knowledge" based country - it should be re-worded to say "middleman" country and seller of all resources. Good bye trees, Good Bye water, Good bye Oil!
Posted by: joe | Sep 17, 2021 1:48:14 AM
Living in Alberta, being a licensed tradesman, all the jobs are up north. men have it really bad at the moment, having to leave there families behind while working in camps for oil. Alberta sucks.
Posted by: Mike Labram | Sep 17, 2021 2:18:33 AM
Where will women find those rich guys now? LOL. If the real cost to produce goods offshore were passed to consumers, we would still be able to live a comfortable lifestyle. Instead companies persist in overcharging for goods and services which drives up the cost of living and puts a burden on everyone. The name of the game is "GREED" nowadays and men are getting left behind and unable to afford to support themselves and their own families at the same time. Forget about another baby boom the way things are going at this rate.
Posted by: Greg | Sep 17, 2021 2:36:39 AM
I actually love the evaporation of good paying productive jobs,this way all the real men leave the city of Toronto in search of work outside of Ontario and all that is left is the women and all the goverment jobs that are paid from the printing presses of Ottawa running full tilt. You see when we went off the gold standard we lost our only measure of true productivity.So with that pesky thing out of the way Governments can between each other cook the books and present the numbers and ratio,s in a way that classifies that country as a good credit risk.Wake up Industries that appeal to women are mostly Government positions. The only entity that hires like that is another government. But what people do not realize is that to support this type of fluffy feel good idea We have to recklessly ruin the countries economics untill the state goes broke from a mountain of crushing debt giving out high paying jobs with no return of value in the back end.
Posted by: PMO | Sep 17, 2021 12:22:47 PM
As the police departments retire most of them go into Politics as most MP's and MPP's are retired COPS leaving the jobs of Policing to get bigger Pensions as retired other Government employees.
This is not leaving a Job it is not even getting a job just another cost to the Taxpayers and most are Male.
Posted by: Tracy | Sep 17, 2021 12:30:44 PM
Does she think her car, roads and bridges she drives on, building she lives and works in, food she eats all magically appear. Knowledge is great, but it doesn't get the work done.
Posted by: ray larder | Sep 17, 2021 12:49:36 PM
In the area i live in we lost the St.Tomas Ford plant (3000 jobs), the diesel electric train plant (500 jobs), the champion road-grader plant (400 jobs), St. thomas truck plant (?jobs), the truck plant in Chatham ( ?jobs ). Etc.
Does anyone know where these jobs went and why ????.
Posted by: Matt | Sep 17, 2021 1:24:33 PM
Thank you commenters, all of your thoughts were amusing, albeit some made grossly incorrect assumptions and propositions.
Food for thought: If we are becoming a knowledge based economy, why can none of the commenters spell or punctuate correctly?
Posted by: ray larder | Sep 17, 2021 8:16:56 PM
Matt, because we are not having a spelling bee or a punctation bee, we are trying to solve the loss of jobs and see what can be done.
Matt, go ahead give us your ideas about the job losses.
Posted by: Martin | Sep 17, 2021 11:31:57 PM
Oh please! Somebody shoot the messenger, or in this case, the author! Hanna Rosen, writing 'The End of Men: And the Rise of Women' is right up there with another angry Jewish feminist called Kay Hymowitz, who wrote a book called 'Manning Up! How the Rise of Women has Turned Men into Boys!' The only people who read this type of fabricated, pandering drivel is a) women of low self esteem, and b) feminists who need a 'bilbe' of some sort to continually pander to their faltering ideology!
Gentlemen! Look around you! How many women do you see in: Construction (in all fields), Aviation (jet engine mechanics, airframe technicians, etc.), Shipping and Logistics, Trades (from field and heavy equipment operators to mechanics to millwrights to avionics and instrument technicians, electricians, metal workers, boiler technicians, pipe fitters, etc.). I could list off dozens of other fields where men will still continue to dominate these well-paid positions, and which will certainly spring back as the entire world economy improves, which it will do.
And, as one poster accurately noted, women better hope they do, because if they don't, and men DO end up sliding into the abyss of joblessness or under-employment, that critical and essential income tax base that is needed to prop up women in their largely tax-supported jobs is going to collapse. So, you better not spend too much time gloating over the not-there-yet collapse of the male employment structure!!
'I'm Just Saying!'
Posted by: Martin | Sep 17, 2021 11:59:17 PM
...and one more thing before I close this out: Be very, very careful whose statistics you buy into! Dissect them with a surgeon's scalpel and research them endlessly before consuming them. I had friends in Ottawa who worked in the government. Just like fabricating a question for a poll so you can get the answer you want, it was common knowledge that statistics were moved around, shuffled, re-organized and re-categorized, and finally butchered and slaughtered to make the picture look the way you wanted it to.
Lets take a look at one for Canada: Unemployment for women (25 and older) is 5.6% and for men 6.3%! Big deal! That is a point spread of only 0.7%, which is generally considered 'normal' for occupational and career differences. How about provincially? In some provinces it is likely that that statistic is reversed, depending on how the economic and employment factors are distributed.
What I'm saying is this: Look around you and your social circle, family circle, and occupational acquaintances. What does your employment situation look like? Is everyone you know employed in some capacity? Are some people having a difficult time? Absolutely! I wouldn't want to be in Windsor or Hamilton right now. But in Canada we go where the work is if we want to improve our lot in life, or we stay local and accept the ebb and flow of employment shift. It has been so since Confederation, and will continue to be so as long as we walk this great land.
'I'm Just Saying!'
Posted by: Matt | Sep 18, 2021 5:46:22 PM
Ray larder, excellent of you to acknowledge your failings in spelling and punctuation. I could tell you why spelling and punctuation are important, but I suspect you 1) wouldn't understand, and 2) wouldn't care anyway.
It's all about presentation. I don't care what someone has to say if they don't spend the time to say it; if they are too busy doing other things than ensure a proper statement has been made, I am too busy to value their opinion.
Take it as a life lesson, Ray. If you present yourself as a high school student struggling to grasp your own language, you won't get very far in this life. Take some pride in what you say and how you say it, and maybe others will take notice. Stop thinking presentation is meaningless. We're not in kindergarten anymore, and it is unfair for you to expect others to drop to your level if you feel you have something to say. Act like an adult.
Posted by: James | Sep 18, 2021 6:41:41 PM
I think everyone has the right to voice their opinion and post their personal views on these "blogs". What I don’t think people have the right to do, is use their position as a author to publish utterly inaccurate information that much of the general public will consume because they take it as being correct. Not because it is, but because they believe if it’s in print the person publishing the content must be informed. I'm with Martin and a few of the other comments on here. Research any information you read and be sure to have a real understanding of what’s going on in your world. These “book” sounds like she is a man hater, has her head berried in the sand and a chip on her shoulder or just looking to make a quick buck or two from a demographic that she thinks might want to buy her book. Couple any of those possibilities with the fact she has done little to no research on this topic and you will see this is just down right ignorance at its finest. Go ahead and research/ Google whatever you need to do and you will see Hanna Rosin has no real knowledge or back ground in economics and employment statistics. Just her own opinion. Again everyone is entitled to have an opinion... but that does not make it right. Am I wrong? You decide.
Posted by: Jim | Sep 19, 2021 8:51:03 AM
Matt. G00GLE the term "Glass Houses" then find a mirror and take a look.
Good presentation is wonderful, especially if you are being judged by a young shallow woman but it doesn't produce anything other than a lovely presentation.
You will find that the most productive members of society are those who are most concerned with the final outcome and not the process.
Think of the Doctor who writes the prescription/operates in an emergency to save a life, or the Engineer who operates in a dangerous environment so that others can be safe. For the what matters is the final result, not how pretty what they are doing looks.
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Presentation is lovely if you're selling a book by and to a girl. But in the real world it adds little (Hence the explosion of e-books)