Enbridge gets caught altering map

Did you see GM of Canada making 1,000,000 cars a year and hire 24% more people to keep the line working in the 60's the government collect 10.6% off the top and the amount of people retire the government desmissed as retirees that needed to sacrifice and pulled the retirement contracts out from under them? slashing the pensions and health care.

How often do Enbridge think they can scam the public, and let the taxpayers pay the difference?

as long as we have a government abusing seniors /retirees and putting skitsofrenics in senior accomodations this country is on a skid to hell.

We all should be wary of Enbridge and the Governments stated benefit --that Canada will benefit by way of increasing our gross national product value.

When in fact the truth is that it is the Chinese that are driving the Enbridge proposal.

Remember that we are selling many oil companies to Chinese or Chinese state companies. They are not interested one bit in Canada's GDP. They are interested as are all the other multinational companies --in getting the rescource at the lowest possible cost (read that as the lowest benefit to Canada and Canadians).

Just Google

They-- like many wood companies that ship raw logs from OUR forests. Remember these are OUR Forests and the oil is OUR oil. It lies below our country it is Canadians oil. We allow oil companies to drill and pump it believing that our governments protect our rights by way of taxation that benefits us all.

I submit to you all -that our provincial governments and our National Governments to date. Have allowed foreign and Canadian firms to rape our natural rescources by way of shipping raw product.

Remember this is our national rescource or rescources.
We should not be allowing the vast exportation of---

a) Raw Logs

b) Crude oil or distillated tar

c) copper, iron, and all the other metals.

As Canadians we all should be standing up and telling our Governments that we are sick and tired of the situation. We want good paying jobs where we are actually refining oils, Making metals from the raw materials or better yet making actual items from these and wood like furniture, oars etc.

I worked for a company that was a marine distributor, the supplier that sold us beautiful crafted oars for dingys kept telling us that in the heart of British Columbias forest he could not purchase good wood for hisa company. He was offered many times second and third quality woods. He finally mat a company foreman in the forest that allowed him to come into their cut block and pick out the felled trees for his company. Up to that point he could not get the managers at the mills or the upper corporate managers to give one breath to his problems.

Canadians should be telling the world that the time we allow raw materials by the score to be shipped out with NO VALUE ADDED benefit to Canadians (read that as manufacturing jobs) is over.

The world can go and try to find these products elsewhere. At the very least we will be doing our Children, our grandchildren and their children and great favour. When the world is seriously low of these and other materials guess who benefits. Our children and generations after them.

But don't sit around and wait for any present or future government to get it!

Someone or even myself should run for office on these issues but which party would allow such a stand by a party member --not many I would guess.

Maybe we need a Canadian Party to be started? Throw all the previous idiots out of office and actually take a stand to the benefit of future generations.

Regards
Terry in Victoria

Hi Terry,

If you have a problem with it, then start a value added manufacturing type business to refine, or construct useful products with our raw materials. Or at least, invest all of our capital and help attract other investors to Canada in order to make this happen.

If private enterprise can't make this competitive in Canada (which it almost certainly can't, which is why we are shipping raw materials) do you propose that the government begin losing money on the proposition to refine and "value add" to these products at the taxpayers expense?

Other countries don't care if we smother our costlines with oil, it will only make their coasts more appealing.

hi terry & phil

So right terry " our resources are owned by Canadians " and there is no mention in our elected officials mandate ( that I know of ) which allows our goverments to sell these resources as they please
( bottom line ) for the benefit of the world's elite corporate shareholders. Because there is still so much poverty in our country, I believe in fair distribution of our resources benefits to Canadians first until we are in a better economic position to share. Revise the Foreign Aide bill.

So true Phil, refining and transforming our resources ourselves would certainly be the ultimate goal in solving our economic problems and should be reflected in our present goverment's mandate, if they are to be re-elected. No more bailing out foreign companies, buy them out instead for our future generations workforce to manage and exploit.

Hate to burst your bubbles Terry and Raymond, but resources are owned by the province they are located in, not by Canadians as a whole. Read up a little before you comment.

Brad---

You are right that the Provinces have the ownership of the actual rescource. However I stated that they are owned by Canadians and that does not depend where you live. I am a Canadian whether I live in British Columbia or Nova Scotia or anywhere between our coast to coast to coast.So you are right in a sense but---

However the Federal Government retains under the Constitution-- all trade in Natural Rescources and could if they cared --to say as an example --ban the export of raw logs. I used to work in a sawmill the summer after High School. We never sold raw logs all were cut.

Matter of fact back then the cut figures from British Columbis was 15% of the worlds softwood lumber and that was a lot. At least we were cutting it here and it was nice wood really beautiful stuff.Now we export logs. But that was in the early seventies.

Now according to Stats Canada we have this percentage as a country and it is still a large percentage worldwide----
(In 2005, Canada was the second largest producer of lumber in the world, with 16% of worldwide production, and the top world exporter with 30% of the international lumber trade) And recently BC cuts half of Canada's softwood lumber.

As far as raw log exports looking at the numbers the two countries that seem to take the vast majority are the United States (no surprise there) and Japan takes a huge amount. Other countries are a small percentage of the total coming out of British Columbia.

The Provincial vs Federal responsibility in natural rescources is as follows-----(Under the Canadian constitution, responsibility for natural resources belongs to the provinces, not the federal government. However, the federal government has jurisdiction over off-shore resources, trade and commerce in natural resources, statistics, international relations, and boundaries)

That gives the Feds the right to control raw exports if they wanted.

Do not get me wrong, I am not a socialist. I started Zodiac Rigid Hulled Boats now known as Zodiac Hurricane which is now a worldwide supplier of rescue boats to the military (militaries worldwide) , Coast Guards, Police, Commercial operators and anyone else that can afford one.

RIBS are expensive to produce being mainly handmade to commercial specifications.

So I am quite aware of the battles of operating a small company which I was at the time. Started Zodiac RIBS in Canada in 1982. Still have one --a 19 ft with a 220 fuel injected Merc outboard.

So in summation --I object to the massive export of raw materials we could be at least be adding some value added --work to that material. I have spoken to a variety of people in a variety of industries that cannot easily get some materials for their manufacturing.

Of course we cannot do much with say --Saskatchewans potash nothing actually as far as value added work. But as an example, under free trade (and I have no problem with free trade) but the olny copper pipe manufacturing plant supplying commercial and home building copper pipe in Western Canada was closed. We used to take raw Canadian copper, we used to make the pipe, the fittings and lots more and make the goods we use. We do not anymore. Now the copper is exported and we buy it back as pipe. People these days are so concerned with the (what do they call it ? the 100 mile diet or something) well maybe it is time we started to ask ourselves --isn't it time to start thinking globally this way with most goods that can be made locally. We have the gas for the furnaces, we have the copper or the iron ore etc. We should start becoming more concerned and make it here but we are not.

That is a shame. (not making sure our manufacturing sector can always get their materials)

As to the cost or the ---too costly to produce here-- I do not believe that for one minute (in a variety of manufacturing) Check out these companies that are selling product that goes worldwide.

Shockwave seats

Scoremaster Goal systems

Oceanus Plastics ----(supplier of hulls, consoles, cabins etc to Zodiac) My old business partner and prime subcontractor and still is to Zodiac.

Polaris Boats RIB mfg

Titan Boats --- RIB mfg ---John the owner used to work with us and went out on his own and is a great success selling internationally

Regards Terry

Hi Terry,

You are still missing the point...we could likely do all of these things here, but in the end, it is cheaper to send the raw materials to China, and then bring them back into Canada.

The only way your ideas would work, is if we subsidized these industries to start them and then protected them from Chinese imports that would easily outcompete us. Do you want to eliminate free trade? I can guarantee you this is true, because there are hundreds of companies that would be doing this if they could make money on it!

FROM EUROCANADIAN SHIPPING LTD
VANCOUVER

IF ENBRIDGE GIVE US A 15 YEARS FREIGHT CONTRACT WE WILL
- BUILD 3 OR 4 OR 5 VLCC TANKERS
- PUT THEM UNDER THE CANADIAN FLAG
- CREW THEM WITH QUALIFIED CANADIANS
- KEEP THE MONEY FROM THE FREIGHT IN CANADA AND PAY TAXES ON IT !

OF COURSE THEY WILL NOT OR PROBABLY CAN NOT AS THEY WILL HAVE TO SELL FOB TO THE BUYERS WHO WILL CONTROL THE FREIGHT, SCHEDULING, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ENBRIDGE'S DETRIMENT,THE INVENTORY .

WE EXPERIENCED THIS AS SHIPOWNERS IN THE LATE 70'S WHEN EVERYBODY GOT EXCITED ABOUT THE NE B.C. COAL PROJECT ( ANYBODY REMEMBER THE DEASE LAKE B.C.RAIL EXTENTION ???)
WE OWNED 2 X 140,000 TON COAL CARRIERS AND OFFERED THEM TO THE EXPORTING COAL
COMPANIES.WE WERE TOLD TO GO AWAY AND NOT " INTERFERE" - BY THE B.C.GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY.
NOT LONG AFTER THE EXPORT OF B.C.COAL STARTED THE JAPANESE TRADING COMPANIES (WHO CONTROLLED THE SHIPPING) ALSO SIGNED HUGE CONTRACTS WITH AUSTRALIA,SOUTH AFRICA AND COLOMBIA. THEY THEN CAME BACK TO B.C. TO RENEGOTIATE THE FOB PRICE OF THE COAL WITH THE EXPORTERS WHO INITIALLY DECLINED.
SHORTLY AFTER THAT HAPPENED THE SHIPS FROM JAPAN AND KOREA DID NOT ARRIVE AS OFTEN OR ON SCHEDULE AS THE CONTRACTS CALLED FOR AND THE INVENTORY STARTED TO BUILD UP AT PRINCE RUPERT (RIDLEY COAL TERMINAL) UNTIL IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THE TERMINAL COULD NOT TAKE ANY MORE. BUT THE MINES HAD TO KEEP PRODUCING !

ANYBODY CARE TO GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE B.C.COAL PRICE FOB RIDLEY ???

THE CHINESE ARE PATIENT BUT QUICK LEARNERS ..IN THE 60'S AND 70' THE JAPANESE TRADING COMPANIES TIDE UP HUGE VOLUMES OF RAW MATERIALS WORLD WIDE.THE CHINESE ARE NOW
DOING THE SAME AND THE ' MODUS OPERANDI ' IS IDENTICAL !

THE OLD ADAGE " BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME ' MAY BE CORRECT BUT THEY WILL COME WHEN IT SUITS THEM !

WAKE UP CANADA IS SLIPPING BACK TO THE DAYS OF HEWERS OF WOOD AND DRAWERS
OF WATER - EXCEPT NOW WESHOULD ADD' PUMPER OF CRUDE FOR THE LAMPS( ??) OF CHINA'

J MAY
NORTH VANCOUVER

I see that people are finally waking up to these problems since NAFTA was first introduced by Mulroney in the 90's. Now every country in the world is trying to take advantage of Canada. Makes me wonder how Harper Bush and his cronies can sleep at night. Put your words into action at the next election and vote for a real change - R.I.P. Harper Bush.

don't know about all of you, but i have seen what they are doing in Dubai. When seeing what they have done, it makes you wonder what the real cost of "oil" is.

Just like any other business - the product isn't as expensive as we think it is.

Why not put a cap on the oil sands, ie. no more oil extraction projects for 5 years. Then a very scaled back increase in production. Then maybe we would not need these new pipelines to the U.S. or China via Kitimat. Lets be happy with the current $ benefits of the oil sands and not get greedy and pay with the resultant environmental hazards.

Big oil deceiving people?
Quick where did I put my 'shocked face' mask so I can pretend I am surprised !